tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post8773756666007021578..comments2023-06-02T04:15:13.775-05:00Comments on Sara Brumfield's Blog: How to get more women (in programming)Sarahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15572116519532368015noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-15117879078128183362009-11-21T12:29:08.880-06:002009-11-21T12:29:08.880-06:00"The Voice of Unquestionable Authority"
..."The Voice of Unquestionable Authority"<br /><br />Now, at 63 years old, I am pleased to have been taught to question authority at a young age. How liberal my parents must have been!<br /><br />Thank you for putting the concept of this type of affectation (beck, hannity, limbaugh) into words for me!Mr. Naturalhttp://informiorium.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-23170212317865874322009-08-31T13:49:13.365-05:002009-08-31T13:49:13.365-05:00This is a topic that's been discussed quite a ...This is a topic that's been discussed quite a lot on the DevChix mailing list of late so the presentation is timely. I'd been explaining there based on my own observations how many women in admin roles resort to programming in Excel and Access for the very reasons that Dana outlined in her Data Munging presentation. Few of these women consider themselves programmers.<br /><br />Truth be told, a lot of my own übergeek embedded work has really amounted to nothing more than munging dirty bits on the wire - likewise the odd stuff I do with low-level Ruby abuse is basically an analogous skillset.<br /><br />Basically more women need to hack, and if they did they'd realise it's not a male pastime but a universal human one!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-88580008547323243122009-08-29T14:36:51.354-05:002009-08-29T14:36:51.354-05:00While I did mention the idea of pulling in more wo...While I did mention the idea of pulling in more women from the Admin Assistant pool in companies, I think it's only right to note that Eleanor McHugh pointed this out to me yesterday after my presentation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02769525828502600675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-58222757697406352262009-08-29T14:11:11.000-05:002009-08-29T14:11:11.000-05:00Unsurprising that the friendliest programmers in t...Unsurprising that the friendliest programmers in the world (RUBYISTS) are actually making progress on this most-thorny of issues.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04068217923979593122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-91119306257620388852009-08-29T13:52:45.704-05:002009-08-29T13:52:45.704-05:00Oh -- also, Hilly -- the throat clearing was inten...Oh -- also, Hilly -- the throat clearing was intended to be a joke, I didn't take any of it personally. While it's easy to be *too* sensitive, I've given up most of that as I age and get more comfortable being the woman in the room.Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15572116519532368015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-59347378943634780482009-08-29T13:51:01.628-05:002009-08-29T13:51:01.628-05:00Hilly -- Not sure I'm getting what you mean on...Hilly -- Not sure I'm getting what you mean on the front table comment? (I was manning the front table, so it may have been me you overheard -- and for the record LSRC has had girl shirts since the first one, this I know for sure.)<br /><br />Lee -- happy to talk sometime, just ping me. saracarl@gmail; @saracarl.Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15572116519532368015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-76219806324670223082009-08-29T13:26:35.193-05:002009-08-29T13:26:35.193-05:00Hi Sara,
I found your blog through Hayes, an atten...Hi Sara,<br />I found your blog through Hayes, an attendee at LSRC. I enjoyed your post and would love to talk in depth about your observations, especially with your background in the study of women and gender. I too am a female programmer, computer science major, and I can relate a lot to what you said. I kind of have pipe dream of someday setting up a technology camp for girls here in Austin and it would be great to talk to someone who might inspire me to make that real. <br />Thanks!<br />Lee lgharp@gmail.com @lgharpLeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02730932757832566888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-85314359416060285602009-08-29T12:18:35.708-05:002009-08-29T12:18:35.708-05:00I also wanted to apologize. You were in the Ruby ...I also wanted to apologize. You were in the Ruby Curious class I helped teach the first day, and at some point, when asked about IDE preferences, I responded with a condescending, "Real Men just use VIM." You cleared your throat, and I amended it to include, "...or women," but that was pretty dismissive of me. I haven't been able to pull you aside in person since then, so in case I don't see you between now and then, I apologize. The inverse of "real man" I intended was "boy" (as in the expression, "time to separate the men from the boys"), not "woman." I'm not sure that dichotomy is any better, since it dismisses the entire gender outright.HillyTheGakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550969891490510137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5082277.post-3094004155167815502009-08-29T12:10:41.966-05:002009-08-29T12:10:41.966-05:00Re: Token things, like women's t-shirts (LSRC ...Re: Token things, like women's t-shirts (LSRC has done this since day 1), make you feel like you were expected and you belong. -- I saw one of the organizers (or maybe just someone manning the front table) tell a woman the opposite of this on Friday.HillyTheGakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550969891490510137noreply@blogger.com